EP 33 · 2022-09-19 · 1:30:01
From ICU Nurse to Healthcare Architect: How Buildings Heal (or Harm) — Sarah Proder, Architecture49
Nurse-turned-architect Sarah Proder explains how clinical experience shapes healthcare building design — from ergonomics to biophilic healing environments — and takes listeners inside the landmark New Waterford Community Hub.
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0:31From Nursing to Architecture: The Origin Story — Sarah recounts how three minimum-wage jobs before a gap year clarified her need for a career, how nursing's physical toll (injury rate higher than construction) planted seeds of dissatisfaction, and how a cabinet-making course and an interior design class eventually led her to architecture school at Dalhousie.7:50Clinical Insight as Design Advantage — Sarah explains how working in windowless ICUs with concrete floors, no natural light, and constant acoustic stress showed her the gap between what buildings are built to do and what patients and staff actually need. She connects biophilic design research to construction practice and notes the post-Covid shift in public empathy for hospital isolation.18:20Career Path: Calgary, Yellowknife, Whitehorse, Halifax — After graduating from Dalhousie, Sarah worked at Agnew Peckham in Toronto, then Stantec in Calgary, then a Stantec northern office in Whitehorse before Architecture49 recruited her to Halifax. She describes how diversifying project types confirmed her passion for healthcare architecture rather than diluting it.26:40Architecture49: Team, Culture, and National Network — Sarah describes A49's collaborative culture, the advantage of a national network of specialists (labs, healthcare), and how the firm's structure allows rapid knowledge-sharing across offices. She reflects on the difference between larger and smaller national firms.36:40Biophilic and Holistic Design in Healthcare — Deep discussion of evidence-based design: views of nature reducing pain medication and shortening hospital stays, acoustic stress in ICUs, wood on vertical surfaces to satisfy tactile human needs while meeting infection-control requirements, and the case that healthcare buildings have historically been optimised for mechanical systems rather than people.50:50New Waterford Community Hub — Project Overview — Sarah walks through the landmark mixed-use campus: 6-12 high school, 60-bed LTC, health centre, food bank, community garden, 500-seat theatre, and public gym. The design intent is to remove barriers to healthcare access by collapsing services into one non-stigmatised building. Phase 1 (school) foundations are poured.1:07:30Procurement, RFIs, and Material Constraints — Practical realities: answering hundreds of RFIs during tender, working with double consultant teams (two structural, two mechanical), navigating post-disaster building code classifications (flame-spread ratings eliminating rubber stair treads), and how architects thread needle between client vision, code requirements, and public accountability on a government-funded project.1:23:00Long Projects, Small Wins, and Wrap-up — Sarah reflects on the satisfaction of multi-year projects vs. small renovations, the ice-machine story as an emblem of what deep user-needs discovery actually looks like, and closes with optimism about Atlantic Canada's healthcare infrastructure pipeline.
// THE INTRO
Host Dan sits down with Sarah Proder, Atlantic Healthcare Sector Lead at Architecture49, whose unusual career path — bedside nursing, cabinet-making, then Dalhousie architecture school — gives her a practitioner's eye for the environments construction teams build. The conversation moves through three arcs: (1) the personal journey from NICU nurse to healthcare architect, revealing how lived exposure to bad workspace ergonomics and windowless ICUs became the engine of her design philosophy; (2) a rich dive into evidence-based and biophilic design principles — why a view of a tree reduces pain medication use, why wood belongs on vertical surfaces in healthcare, and why Covid isolation finally made hospital isolation legible to everyone; (3) a detailed look at the New Waterford Community Hub, a phased mixed-use campus combining a 6-12 school, 60-bed long-term care, health centre, food bank, and community garden, currently in construction — and the practical realities of leading design through procurement RFIs, double consultant teams, and code-driven material constraints. The episode is a rare window into the architectural side of healthcare construction, which most of the show's contractor and estimator audience only ever experiences through the spec book.
// THE LESSONS
See all 10 lessons ▸Lived experience inside a broken system is the most powerful design brief an architect can carry into a healthcare project.
“i know what it's like to be in a building that sucks”
Evidence-based design details — a window view of a tree, natural wood on walls — measurably reduce patient pain medication use and shorten hospital stays, justifying their cost in construction.
“people will use less pain medication and they'll get out of hospital three days sooner”
Ask 'why' until you reach the real requirement: discovering a therapy group only needed a countertop ice machine, not a full fridge, saved space, energy, and an ongoing ice budget.
“we would have just given them a residential style fridge and they would be buying ice every week”
On government healthcare tenders, a contractor who asks thorough RFI questions signals engagement, reduces surprise cost exposure on site, and ultimately helps the project team set a fair tender.
“if there are questions you fire them at us… that's why we have the tender process”
Healthcare buildings carry code constraints (post-disaster classification, flame-spread limits) that eliminate common finishes used in schools or commercial build-outs — estimators must scope accordingly.
“in staircases we can't use rubber stair treads, can't use them, not allowed because they start on fire”
Collocating unrelated public services (school, LTC, food bank, health centre) inside one building removes stigma barriers that prevent vulnerable people from accessing care.
“you're not going to the psychiatrist who is on this door and everybody in town knows where they are”
Nurses' injury rate exceeds construction workers' — the physical toll of a care environment is real and directly informs ergonomic design priorities in healthcare facilities.
“the rate of injury for nurses is higher than for construction”
Design healthcare spaces for future flexibility: asking clinicians about a 30-year practice vision prevents the client from being locked into a building that can't evolve with their services.
“we kind of want to make that space flexible and adaptable because healthcare changes all the time”
Natural wood in healthcare works best on vertical surfaces — acoustic, tactile, and biophilic benefits without the infection-control risks of horizontal wood that pools cleaning chemicals.
“typically we do vertical surfaces in wood because then you don't get that pooling”
Multi-sector integrated projects (school + healthcare + community) create shared-operations savings but require design teams to navigate institutional silos that have never previously collaborated.
“the board of education and health board… they've never had to work in tandem… they kind of exist in silos”
// CLIPS FROM THIS EPISODE
Story · 3:33
“i worked at a fake plant store like a silk plant store”
Story · 4:58
“i worked with an orthopedic surgeon doing casting”
Hot take · 6:46
“the nice thing about architecture as opposed to nursing is like these are all fixable things”
Hot take · 7:58
“the rate of injury for nurses is higher than for construction”
Hot take · 10:01
“if you work seven years as a nurse you'll have at least one lifetime disability”
Framework · 10:44
“people i would see staff members and colleagues go off sick”
Framework · 12:33
“now there's more research about noise in hospitals and all the beeping”
Story · 14:57
“ron wickman specializes in accessibility and visitability”
Exchange · 19:06
“he paid me he was like never work for free and i was like okay good to know”
Framework · 21:43
“there's a bunch of really smart people in the room that we can get together”
Emotional · 37:18
“when you go inside a hospital you come into the ambulance bay it smells like exhaust”
Story · 45:27
“there's research papers about long-term care they gave everybody a plant”
Hot take · 48:35
“with covid because of the way it's encapsulated when it landed on a natural surface”
Story · 52:29
“the new waterford hub is a truly amazing project”
Story · 1:21:20
“do you use the fridge like for snacks and she's like no we just used the freezer”
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Patients with a window view of nature (e.g., a tree) use less pain medication and leave hospital three days sooner than those with a brick-wall view.
The foundational study is Roger Ulrich's landmark 1984 research showing surgical patients with a nature view recovered faster and required less potent pain medication. More recent research shows natural daylight reduces average length of stay by 3.67 days in some psychiatric units. The claim is dire…
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The injury rate for nurses is higher than for construction workers.
U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data confirms hospital workers (including nurses) have higher occupational injury/illness incidence rates than workers in construction. BLS reports nurses get injured at approximately three times the rate of construction workers in some analyses. The claim is well-sup…
SOURCE ▸✓ VERIFIED
Wood surfaces are actually beneficial in healthcare infection control — COVID-19 data showed the virus shell degrades faster on wood than on stainless steel.
Multiple peer-reviewed studies confirm wood has natural antiviral properties. Finnish university research and a 2024 ACS Applied Materials & Interfaces study confirm coronaviruses inactivate rapidly (within 10-15 min) on pine and spruce vs. slower inactivation on plastics and metals. The claim is su…
SOURCE ▸// COMPANIES & ORGS ✓ verified
Architecture49 ▸Sarah ProderAgnew Peckham Health Care Planning Consultants ▸New Waterford Community HubRon WickmanE.C. Purdy Building, Nova Scotia HospitalStantec Inc.
// PROJECTS NAMED
New Waterford Community HubE.C. Purdy Building, Nova Scotia HospitalNorman Wells Health Centre and Long-Term CareNew Waterford Education Centre (Phase 1)
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