EP 67 · 2023-09-25 · 1:13:09
Building Nova Scotia's Largest School: Inside Bedford Ravines with PCL & Architecture 49
PCL and Architecture 49 dissect delivering Nova Scotia's largest school via collaborative design-build.
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Catherine Hefler
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0:00Sponsor reads — Luminous Labs, Procore Technologies, and Payzant Building Products partner announcements.1:07Sean Andrew's path: arenas and mentors — From the Ottawa Senators arena (run out of a farmer's house) to the Air Canada Centre; field years and superintendent mentor Oscar Godot shaping his piece-by-piece planning discipline.8:38Catherine Hefler: psychology to school architecture — Psychology degree to Dalhousie M.Arch, work terms at GBSA (Toronto) and Dialog (Vancouver), a decade at Architecture 49 under Stacy Hughes and Craig Mosher, and sessional teaching at Dal.16:15Why school openings matter — Opening-day rewards: students' thank-you letters at LeMarchant-St. Thomas, kids living in CP Allen; the six-year arc from government planning to opening day.19:45Collaborative design-build, explained — How NS's collaborative design-build (modelled on DND's modified design-build) pairs architect and constructor as a team, why the province buys value-for-money over low bid, and how early GC input on materials and lead times shapes design.29:18Mid-roll sponsors — Freeman Group Financial, Soulière Trinity, and Pivot Accounting reads.30:23One building, not two — Pandemic-era virtual kickoff; digital program blocks on a sloped site; why two schools merged into one building with shared gyms, cafeteria, and a community hub between two distinct entrances.36:11Sequential tendering and cost certainty — Tendering civil at ~50% design, package-by-package cost certainty, time to value-engineer instead of redesign, and breaking out a rough-grade civil package while the building was still being resolved.40:44Will collaborative design-build spread? — DND has standardized on modified design-build (Andrew's fourth); the province is warming to it, including an Amherst healthcare/school pursuit; A49's education studio divides envelope and interior packages.43:50Designing for learner choice — Hefler's ALEP credential (one of ~15 in Canada at the time), 21st-century learning, the 'house' concept turning six classrooms into 12-14 learning spaces, and PCL's demountable-partition idea that beat pricey operable walls and improved the design.55:10Managing the Crown's purse and the steering team — Constant cost dialogue with DPW inside the collaborative room, protecting key design moves while value-engineering elsewhere, and a school steering team flexing a room into a second music space.1:00:50Why learning environments matter — From 'bells and cells' to flexible space; only ~15% learn best by lecture; CP Allen students choosing to stay in the building on free periods as proof of design.1:03:40PCL's national knowledge network — Calling PMs across the multinational via the intranet, Quest bulletins, and the annual Excellence in Construction seminar — the 'each one teach one' machinery.1:06:40Teacher collaboration spaces — Professional learning communities dotted through the school: visible teacher collaboration as supervision and as modelling of real-world collaborative work for students.1:09:28The labour shortage read — Andrew's 30,000-foot view: everyone from architects to subs is stretched thin, supply chains remain fragile, trades careers need re-elevating, and the industry will slow down and readjust.1:11:55Wrap-up and outro sponsors — Thanks to the guests ahead of the school's opening; Cook Insurance and FCA Surety reads.
// THE INTRO
Catherine Hefler (Architecture 49) and Sean Andrew (PCL Constructors) walk through the Bedford Ravines school — at ~256,000 sq ft the largest school in Nova Scotia — the province's first school delivered under a collaborative design-build model. The conversation is a rare dual GC-plus-architect case study: how the province selects a team instead of a low bid, how sequential tendering buys cost certainty and early starts, and how a mason shortage and value engineering actually improved the design. Hefler layers in the educational-design thesis (learner choice, the 'house' concept, teacher collaboration spaces), and Andrew closes with a candid read on the labour crunch and supply-chain fragility.
// THE LESSONS
See all 16 lessons ▸Spend your first years in the field: physical construction intuition is what makes a PM able to scope, schedule, and de-risk later.
“I had that opportunity for the first five or six years of my career to be a field person”
Complex projects are won by meticulous, sequenced planning — thinking the job through piece by piece, a discipline learned from exacting mentors.
“that ability to think it through in this piece and then this piece and then that piece”
Collaborative design-build lets an owner buy a proven architect-constructor TEAM on value-for-money, not a low-bid pairing of strangers.
“they're not getting a designer they're not getting a Constructor they're getting a team”
Get the GC in at inception: the earlier you can initiate change, the less long-term cost impact it carries.
“it's to your advantage to be involved especially on the on the GC side right from this Inception Point”
A GC's live market intelligence (trade shortages, lead times) should redirect design — e.g., swapping masonry walls when masons are scarce.
“there's a shortage of Masons what if these walls could be built out of this instead that would help alleviate this trade”
Sequential tendering (civil at ~50% design, then structure, envelope, interiors) starts construction sooner and locks in cost certainty package by package.
“it allows you to start early and it also allows the client to get a certain level of cost certainty”
When the budget is fighting you mid-design, break out a rough-grade civil package to keep the site moving while you value-engineer the building.
“we broke out a civil package just to rough grade the site”
Value engineering can upgrade design, not just cut cost: PCL's demountable partitions were cheaper than operable walls AND added visual connection.
“more cost effective and also lended this ability to really create a visual connection through these spaces”
Pick the few design moves that genuinely affect the end user, defend them with the owner, and value-engineer everything else.
“if we really you know try to protect this idea because this will really impact the kids in a certain way”
Design schools around learner choice — only a minority learn best by lecture, so one program block should yield many kinds of learning space.
“I've heard statistics where it's you know 15 of us would best learn by sitting and having someone do a presentation”
Break a huge building into 'houses' (six classrooms plus group rooms reconfigurable into 12-14 learning spaces) for wayfinding, comfort, and flexibility.
“each Wing is uh we called it a house and it has six classrooms”
Merging two programs into one building can pay for itself in cladding, sitework, and mechanical efficiencies — and create a community hub.
“led to the idea that we could create a lot of efficiencies by”
Stand up an end-user steering team (parents, teachers, students, owner reps) even on greenfield projects with no existing school community.
“at a certain point we got to develop a student or a school steering team”
Institutionalize knowledge transfer: a national firm's intranet, Quest bulletins, and annual seminars mean someone in the company has already solved your problem.
“is surely somewhere in the company someone's done it before”
The labour crunch spans architects, consultants, suppliers, and trades; the industry must re-elevate trades careers or expect projects to slow and readjust.
“we've gotten away from supporting the notion that being a tradesperson is great”
// CLIPS FROM THIS EPISODE
Story · 4:44
“and then the leaf spot the Raptors and you know so then we're building the new Maple Leaf Gardens”
Framework · 6:26
“I think Oscar was probably the most influential in that sense”
Hot take · 8:09
“to be a site super in a project like the Air Canada Center, that's like you're an army commander”
Emotional · 18:27
“one of the first projects where I was the lead design architect was La March and St Thomas”
Framework · 21:40
“in this model you get a pairing of a designer and a Constructor put in a technical proposal”
Story · 27:59
“there's a shortage of Masons, what if these walls could be built out of this instead”
Framework · 36:42
“that collaborative design build lends itself to the ability to create tender packages as you go”
Hot take · 39:14
“you think of a typical lump sum project, put it out to tender, oh wow we're 10 million dollars over budget”
Framework · 49:20
“the school is so so large, we wanted to break this really big volume down”
Story · 53:28
“we have these operable walls and they were coming in at a really high price point”
Hot take · 1:02:12
“a student who might not, their main learning modality might not be to sit and listen, very few of us”
Emotional · 1:03:02
“we went to CPA as a site visit one day just as an office”
Story · 1:05:34
“we have kind of a knowledge sharing in the company where we call these Quest bulletins”
Hot take · 1:10:09
“it's a tough one, we're very much in a labor crunch and that stems from everything”
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PCL Construction ▸Architecture49 ▸West Bedford SchoolCatherine HeflerCharles P. Allen High SchoolLeMarchant-St. Thomas Elementary School
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West Bedford SchoolAir Canada Centre (Scotiabank Arena)Canadian Tire Centre (Corel Centre)Stratford High School (PEI)Sacred Heart SchoolYarmouth ElementaryBridgetown RegionalLeMarchant-St. Thomas Elementary SchoolCharles P. Allen High SchoolSt. Andrews Community CentreHalifax AirportGagetown DND projectsAmherst collaborative design-build pursuit
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