EP 24 · 2022-02-07 · 1:07:49
Commercial Roofing in Atlantic Canada: Lifecycle Management, Conditions Assessments, and the One-Throat-to-Choke Warranty Model (Matthew Simon, The Garland Company)
Matthew Simon (Garland Company, Atlantic territory manager) unpacks a full-service commercial roofing model — from free conditions assessments through spec-writing, procurement, 3-of-5-day QA visits, and no-dollar-limit long-term warranties — explaining why the Maritimes climate demands a lifecycle rather than a band-aid approach.
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0:04Matthew Simon's background — farm, painting franchise, electrical rep — Matthew grew up on a dairy farm in Irishtown NB, won Rookie of the Year in a student painting franchise, pivoted through UNB arts to community college marketing, then spent years as an electrical-manufacturer rep before a Garland cold-call changed his career.4:30Garland Company overview — 125 years, employee-owned, building envelope — Founded 1895 in Cleveland Ohio, Garland became 100% employee-owned during the modified-bitumen growth era of the 1960s–70s. Matthew explains the year-end profit-sharing retirement fund and his philosophy of running the Atlantic territory as his own business under the Garland umbrella.10:00The conditions assessment — getting under the hood before big numbers — Garland's entry point is a free (or low-cost) conditions assessment covering roof, walls, and flooring. Matthew explains how Atlantic freeze-thaw cycles accelerate building component deterioration, why band-aid leak repairs on end-of-life roofs create false expectations, and how a full report with life-expectancy data sets up honest capital planning.18:00Design, procurement, and QA — the end-to-end Garland program — After the assessment, Matthew writes AutoCAD drawings and performance-based specifications, facilitates procurement (private: invited bids; public: open tender), reviews bid differences, and fulfils a mandated 3-of-5-working-days site presence during installation. He covers warranty mechanics: Garland absorbs the 2-year workmanship warranty from the contractor and extends it to 20–50 years no-dollar-limit on labour and materials.27:50Managing contractor relationships and the QA reporting tightrope — Matthew describes the tension between writing impartial weekly progress reports (including red flags) and maintaining contractor goodwill. He frames QA visits as an extension service — contractors' eyes and ears for PM teams — but acknowledges emotional friction when deficiencies are flagged.35:40Architect relationships — three years to earn a spec collaboration — Garland has been in the Maritimes 40 years but Matthew spent three years adding value on non-Garland technical questions before architects began including Garland in specs. He explains performance-based specification writing in the public market to avoid naming proprietary products.43:20Roofing technology — mod-bit, single-ply, cold-applied, and coatings — Two-ply modified bitumen (torch-applied) dominates Atlantic Canada. Matthew explains why he is sceptical of single-ply membranes in extreme freeze-thaw climates, describes the industry shift toward cold-applied systems, and details restoration coatings as a one-third-cost alternative for aging metal buildings. He also covers Garland's patented polyurethane-modified asphalt for 50-year warranties.57:10Core-cut testing — lab verification of remaining roof life — Garland's R&D lab in Toronto accepts roof core samples, running delamination and tear-and-tensile-strength tests that give a quantitative life-expectancy read — far more defensible than visual inspection alone. Matthew describes using this routinely with clients to back up recommendations.1:03:00Industry associations, growth, and closing thoughts — Matthew discusses BOMA and CANS memberships, the past three years of consecutive Atlantic-region revenue records for Garland, his shift from a shotgun association approach to targeted relationship building, and his enthusiasm for the Garland program.
// THE INTRO
Host Daniel Arsenault talks with Matthew Simon, territory manager for The Garland Company across Atlantic Canada. Matthew traces his path from a New Brunswick dairy farm through painting franchises and electrical-manufacturer sales to roofing and building envelope. The conversation walks through Garland's end-to-end model: no-charge conditions assessments (including core-cut lab testing for tear-and-tensile strength), a good-better-best design process tied to building lifecycle, performance-based specs written to survive public tendering, procurement facilitation for private clients, mandated 3-of-5-day site QA visits, and no-dollar-limit labour-and-materials warranties running 20–50 years. Matthew describes the Atlantic climate — extreme freeze-thaw cycles — as the central reason band-aid repairs fail and lifecycle management wins. He also discusses relationships with local architects (3-year trust-build before spec collaboration), the employee-ownership model at Garland, the shift toward cold-applied and polyurethane-modified bitumen roofing, and coating-based restoration as a third-cost alternative to full replacement. The episode is dense with technical credibility but runs as a long single-take promotional interview with minimal pushback.
// THE LESSONS
See all 10 lessons ▸A free conditions assessment (lifecycle report + core-cut lab test) sells the capital programme without pitching product first — it builds trust and surfaces the real scope before numbers land.
“we just want to go in and start relationship building right off the bat”
In Atlantic Canada's extreme freeze-thaw climate, band-aid leak repairs on end-of-life roofs create expectation liability; committing to a timeline ('good for 3-4 years') that winter then breaks is worse than refusing the repair.
“i try to shy away from that now of course if you're having a leak more than happy to get the right people involved”
Building capital approvals at organizations with remote head offices take 3–6 months of internal lead time; starting the assessment process six months before the construction window is the practical minimum.
“can take three four five six months kind of thing right so that's why we want to be as early as possible”
A full-service manufacturer model — assessment, spec-writing, procurement, site QA, warranty — removes the finger-pointing dynamic: one party absorbs all liability regardless of whether the failure is manufacturing, installation, or design.
“one throat to choke kind of thing yeah the client or whoever it is can just call me personally”
Performance-based specs (no proprietary product names) are the only defensible route in public tendering; they still protect quality by setting minimum performance thresholds that inferior products cannot meet.
“we don't actually specify our material by name at all in the public market just the performance spec”
Mandated 3-of-5-working-days site presence during installation, combined with weekly progress reports copied to the contractor, creates a transparent record that protects the owner, backs the warranty, and gives the contractor's PM visibility they lack on remote sites.
“it's mandated by garland that for three of every five working days someone's on site reviewing the installation”
Earning architect specification collaboration takes years of providing technical value on non-competing projects first — positioning as a free technical resource before any Garland pitch converts to spec inclusion.
“help them out on something here help them something out on there and then eventually build that relationship to where there's a lot of trust”
Restoration coatings on aging metal roofs (butler buildings) cost roughly one-third of full replacement and extend life 10–20 years; they are underutilised in Atlantic Canada's aging industrial stock.
“it's about a third the cost of ripping off the roof or replacing it and you know you're extending that life another 10 20 years”
Core-cut tear-and-tensile-strength lab testing is a more defensible life-expectancy indicator than visual inspection — a 30-year roof can still have strong integrity while a 10-year roof can be toast.
“we can come and test cores of roofs that are 20 years old if they still have a really good terran tensile strength that is a much better indicator than visual inspection”
Running a geographically large territory solo limits project throughput to ~15 large capital projects per year; hitting that ceiling is the signal to hire regionally before growth stalls.
“that's pretty much my limit i needed someone in new brunswick otherwise you know we were going to stay kind of stagnant for a little bit”
// CLIPS FROM THIS EPISODE
Story · 4:21
“but ultimately we thought hey if you don't take any risk in life”
Story · 6:38
“the company became 100 employee-owned”
Hot take · 14:35
“the unfortunate part about roofing that people will say is that it's out of sight out of mind”
Framework · 15:48
“the typical life expectancy of your roof is going to be 17 years well you're at 30 years now”
Framework · 24:47
“we don't actually hire contractors to do the work nor do we have our own contracting team”
Story · 26:58
“and you when you're 50 60 feet up and it's november the wind's blowing”
Hot take · 28:46
“i was just talking to one of my roofing contractors yesterday”
Framework · 33:27
“so how our warranties work is we take the two-year workmanship warranty from the contractor”
Framework · 45:28
“i'm always telling people your roofing today is the same as the roads”
Hot take · 48:04
“how the garland program works is we write performance-based specifications”
Hot take · 52:35
“i personally don't feel that single plies work well in our climate”
Framework · 54:47
“you drive through burnside tons of metal roofs that are getting old and rusty”
Hot take · 57:50
“when i think of garland's r d we're taking a good product and making it better”
Framework · 1:00:08
“the big thing is they do tear and tensile strength which in roofing is the largest indicator of life expectancy”
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// FEATURED BUSINESSES
The Garland Company, Inc.
Employee-owned manufacturer and distributor of high-performance commercial roofing, waterproofing, and…
Construction Association of Nova Scotia (CANS)
Industry association representing more than 780 member companies across Atlantic Canada that build, re…
Architecture49 Inc.
National Canadian architecture and design practice delivering complex public and institutional buildin…
// FACT-CHECKED ✓ web-verified, with sources
✓ VERIFIED
Garland's R&D lab in Toronto accepts roof core samples and runs delamination and tear-and-tensile-strength tests to give a quantitative life-expectancy reading.
Garland Canada operates the CLEAR (Comprehensive Laboratory Effective Analysis Reporting) programme for core sample analysis. Garland Canada Inc. is headquartered in the Toronto area. Core cut analysis including tear-and-tensile testing is confirmed as a Garland service offering.
SOURCE ▸// COMPANIES & ORGS ✓ verified
The Garland Company, Inc. ▸Matthew SimonBOMA Nova Scotia / BOMA CanadaConstruction Association of Nova Scotia (CANS) ▸Architecture49 Inc. ▸
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